. >> there's no doubt that under president obama our country is falling into what i'll call a new normal. economic growth, high unemployment, stagnant wages. >> is that the new economy? is that recovery? >> that's the way the economy looked about three months ago. i think that latest news has been significantly better than that. and i would say that it's really a challenge to both parties. i think that democrats and the people have been saying that we have secular stagnation and need a much bigger stimulus and stuck in this new normal, too. i think everybody is ursurprise by the good news. nobody figured out what the political story is. >> i don't think he's wrong that economy remains pretty weak. >> it's not a new normal in my view. >> you think it will get better? >> absolutely. i mean i am -- as convicted as i've ever been about the state of american economy. we have come a long way from righting the wrong that's got us into this mess. american companies are competitive. i can feel confidence coming back. as soon as we do, we're going to get stronger. >> enough talk like this everybod